Comments on: DeSmogBlog Debunks the Global Warming ‘Skeptics Handbook’ http://earthfirst.com/desmogblog-debunks-the-global-warming-skeptics-handbook/ A Sharp Eye -- With a Green Edge Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:33:14 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: emily http://earthfirst.com/desmogblog-debunks-the-global-warming-skeptics-handbook/comment-page-1/#comment-5840 emily Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:49:11 +0000 http://earthfirst.com/?p=3170#comment-5840 I'm a global warming skeptic as well as a scientist. All of the points this individual mentioned in the pdf handbook are things I've been trying to tell global warming believers for years. I am all about investing in alternative fuels and harnessing wind and solar power, simply for reducing our dependency on foreign oil reserves and run-away speculation bubbles on a single commodity dependency to satisfy our energy needs. I would be all about reducing CO2 and our carbon footprint, if I could see concrete evidence that it caused climate change. But, so far, in as much as skeptics are told they are ignorant and illogical, I have seen no logical evidence on the side of global warming theorists. None. Sorry, climate change models are no substitute for scientific data collected in the field, ice core data is extremely inaccurate, and even if it was it displays a carbon dioxide increase trending with temperature no the other way around, benchtop experiments at ground level do not necessarily simulate what occurs in the atmosphere thousands of feet in the air, CO2 saturation point in the atmosphere could mean it has no effect beyond a certain point of equilibrium, scientists operating as a consensus is no substitute for scientific proof. The last point brings to mind that the work Galileo and Copernicus was discounted by peer reviewed assessments from renowned scientists of that time. Science is not democratic, as the author pointed out. I am criticized harshly all of the time for my beliefs, and this article gave me some confidence when confronted with the obstacle of sticking to my guns or buying into the green marketing brain washing machine. I’m a global warming skeptic as well as a scientist. All of the points this individual mentioned in the pdf handbook are things I’ve been trying to tell global warming believers for years. I am all about investing in alternative fuels and harnessing wind and solar power, simply for reducing our dependency on foreign oil reserves and run-away speculation bubbles on a single commodity dependency to satisfy our energy needs. I would be all about reducing CO2 and our carbon footprint, if I could see concrete evidence that it caused climate change. But, so far, in as much as skeptics are told they are ignorant and illogical, I have seen no logical evidence on the side of global warming theorists. None.

Sorry, climate change models are no substitute for scientific data collected in the field, ice core data is extremely inaccurate, and even if it was it displays a carbon dioxide increase trending with temperature no the other way around, benchtop experiments at ground level do not necessarily simulate what occurs in the atmosphere thousands of feet in the air, CO2 saturation point in the atmosphere could mean it has no effect beyond a certain point of equilibrium, scientists operating as a consensus is no substitute for scientific proof. The last point brings to mind that the work Galileo and Copernicus was discounted by peer reviewed assessments from renowned scientists of that time. Science is not democratic, as the author pointed out.

I am criticized harshly all of the time for my beliefs, and this article gave me some confidence when confronted with the obstacle of sticking to my guns or buying into the green marketing brain washing machine.

]]> By: Dan Pangburn http://earthfirst.com/desmogblog-debunks-the-global-warming-skeptics-handbook/comment-page-1/#comment-5688 Dan Pangburn Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:12:52 +0000 http://earthfirst.com/?p=3170#comment-5688 There is only one complete and exact computer of global climate and that is the planet itself. Results from the planet computer are archived in the Vostok and EPICA ice cores. Global average temperature anomalies and atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have been extracted from these ice cores and are widely available. Repeatedly during the last and previous glacial periods, a temperature increasing trend changed to a decreasing trend with the atmospheric carbon dioxide level higher during the temperature down-trend than it had been when the temperature trend was increasing. Alarmists are unaware of that part of science that proves, using the archived data, that added atmospheric carbon dioxide can not cause significant global warming. Any action that is taken to reduce human produced carbon dioxide to reduce global warming is a mistake and puts freedom and prosperity at risk. There is only one complete and exact computer of global climate and that is the planet itself. Results from the planet computer are archived in the Vostok and EPICA ice cores. Global average temperature anomalies and atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have been extracted from these ice cores and are widely available. Repeatedly during the last and previous glacial periods, a temperature increasing trend changed to a decreasing trend with the atmospheric carbon dioxide level higher during the temperature down-trend than it had been when the temperature trend was increasing. Alarmists are unaware of that part of science that proves, using the archived data, that added atmospheric carbon dioxide can not cause significant global warming. Any action that is taken to reduce human produced carbon dioxide to reduce global warming is a mistake and puts freedom and prosperity at risk.

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